- Mar, 10 Oct 2006 12:53
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Un día de estos vamos a preguntar que pintura aparecía debajo, en la tercera subcapa, del avión acompañante de la víctima número doce de Hans Joachim Marseille
Ha sido difícil rastrear la cuestión, ya que el P-43 Lacer también aparece marginalmente en escena, y tendía a desviarme.
Aparte de ello, el 23 de Diciembre, aparecen tres pilotos de los Tigres voladores o AVG (Grupo de Voluntarios Americanos) derribados (Martin Neale(KIA), Hank Gilbert(KIA) y Paul Greene (BO) y uno que se quedó sin combustible Ed. Rector (BL).
Sin embargo, ninguno de estos tres/cuatro, son los objetivos.
La primera referencia a la respuesta fue vaga, pues hablaba de algunos ejemplares perdidos en vuelo "ferry", sin número ni fecha.
Buscando directamente a través de Shilling, solo me aparecía como piloto del P-40, reiteradamente, sin otra alusión.
Al final, tiré por la calle de enmedio y busqué por tipo de avión y su posible conexión con el AVG.
P-35, P-36, P-43, ... no es que sean especialmente famosos pues su rol en la II GM es muy secundario, y me eran bastante desconocidos.
Pero el que finalmente proporcionó alguna perspectiva de ser el buscado, todavía era algo más exótico para mi: el Vultee CW-21 al que bautizaron o no con varios motes como "Demon", "Hornet" ...
La primera referencia prometedora surge inmediatamente en la wikipwedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CW-21_Demon
"Three other CW-21Bs were furnished to the Chinese as kits, assembled in Loi-Wing, that were delivered to the American Volunteer Group. But, these crashed in poor visibility on the delivery flight from Rangoon on December 23, 1941."
Ajá. Tres eran los pedidos por fjnr72, y aquí hay tres, buen punto de partida.
Rastreando, en un rincón de las ya vistas páginas del warbirdforum sobre el AVG, aparece la respuesta: http://www.warbirdforum.com/cw214.htm
"In the autumn of 1941 Pawley proposed to erect the three CW-21s at Rangoon and provide them to the A.V.G. at 1939 prices if someone would pay for them. Chennault, in his new role as commander of the A.V.G., had the perfect use for them [30]. High-flying reconnaissance planes were snooping over the A.V.G. training base at Kyedaw, Burma. The A.V.G.'s slow climbing P-40s could not catch them. Eventually Lend-lease funds were made available to pay for the interceptors and they were assembled and made available to the A.V.G.
The first CW-21 was flown up to Kyedaw by A.V.G. pilot Kenneth Merritt just about the time the Flying Tigers learned that the United States and Japan were at war. The CW-21s did not have the opportunity to intercept any reconnaissance planes at Kyedaw. On or shortly after December 12th they were attached as a three-plane flight to the A.V.G.'s 3rd Squadron and based at Mingaladon Airfield north of Rangoon. Erik Shilling (from Washington, D.C.) led the flight that also included Merritt (Arlington, Texas) and Lacey Mangleberg (Athens, Georgia) [31].
The CW-21s saw no combat while at Rangoon and on December 22nd, just before a series of heavy Japanese raids, Chennault ordered the CW-21s to join the main body of the A.V.G. then at Kunming, China. The three planes flew to Kyedaw that day and stayed overnight, proceeding to Lashio on the 23rd. Ford in Flying Tigers records what occurred basing his account on primary sources and Shilling's taped memoir. The Cyclone engine of Shilling's CW-21 had problems with misfires during the flight to Lashio. At Lashio the trio met an A.V.G. ground crew chief (Glen Blaylock) who was en route to Kunming by truck. He recommended a change from the 100-octane fuel supplied at Kyedaw to 87-octane fuel, stating this would keep the engine from running too hot.
Mangleberg's CW-21 was fueled first and he took off for a brief test flight. His CW-21 encountered no problems but apparently caused a false raid alarm. In any event the flight made a hasty departure from Lashio without a standard weather or route briefing. Late in the afternoon just inside China Shilling's fighter again encountered difficulties and the engine failed completely. Shilling made a successful belly landing despite the mountainous terrain. The other two pilots had no radios and only a vague idea where they were. They continued to fly in the general area where Shilling landed until their fuel supply was low. Merritt walked away slightly injured from his crash landing but Mangleberg's landing attempt ended in a fiery crash [32]. This ended Lacey Mangleberg's life and the brief career of the CW-21 with the Flying Tigers.
Russell Whelan in The Flying Tigers, a book written in 1942, dealt briefly with the incident and ascribed the crashes to "faulty fuel" taken on at Lashio. Casius in The St.Louis Lightweight repeats this version saying all three fighters had engine trouble "the cause of which was undoubtedly dirty fuel taken on at Lashio." Perhaps this was a version of the events circulated at the time. It is interesting to note that Shell Oil used the CW-21's "vertical mile in a minute" claims in its own advertising for its 100-octane gasoline suggesting that operating with 100-octane fuel should not have been a problem. "
Finalmente, buscando por los nombres de los pilotos, aparece la explicación de lo del parche en: http://mcel.pacificu.edu/as/students/fl ... _asia.html
"...tragedy struck again but this time with three new Curtiss-Wright CW-21 "Demon" fighter planes. Erik Shilling lost power and crash-landed. Chinese people found him but mistook him for a Japanese. They brought him to their village where he learned that Ken Merritt and Lacy Mangleburg had also crashed. Lacy Mangleburg, in his search for Shilling, tried to land in a nearby stream where the undercarriage of the plane hit bottom and the ammunition exploded covering the aircraft in flames and killing Mangleburg."
Algunos apuntes adicionales.
Shilling aparece adscrito al tercer grupo "Angeles del infierno", Merrit es del segundo "Osos Panda", pero el tal Lacey Mangleberg que fue el fallecido, aparece finalmente en el tercer grupo pero como "Lacy Mangleburg".
Después de esto, me pido unas vacaciones
Salu2 y felices vuelos:
Saburo
Hola a tod@s:fjnr72 escribió:Hola,
Después de que despegasen los P-40, despegaron estos 3 cazas, que Chennault los queria utilizar en intercepciones a gran altura. Y la historia no termina muy bien. A raíz de este incidente, los pilotos llevaban el famoso parche de la bandera china y los carácteres para que no los confundieran con japoneses.
Buena caza
Un día de estos vamos a preguntar que pintura aparecía debajo, en la tercera subcapa, del avión acompañante de la víctima número doce de Hans Joachim Marseille
Ha sido difícil rastrear la cuestión, ya que el P-43 Lacer también aparece marginalmente en escena, y tendía a desviarme.
Aparte de ello, el 23 de Diciembre, aparecen tres pilotos de los Tigres voladores o AVG (Grupo de Voluntarios Americanos) derribados (Martin Neale(KIA), Hank Gilbert(KIA) y Paul Greene (BO) y uno que se quedó sin combustible Ed. Rector (BL).
Sin embargo, ninguno de estos tres/cuatro, son los objetivos.
La primera referencia a la respuesta fue vaga, pues hablaba de algunos ejemplares perdidos en vuelo "ferry", sin número ni fecha.
Buscando directamente a través de Shilling, solo me aparecía como piloto del P-40, reiteradamente, sin otra alusión.
Al final, tiré por la calle de enmedio y busqué por tipo de avión y su posible conexión con el AVG.
P-35, P-36, P-43, ... no es que sean especialmente famosos pues su rol en la II GM es muy secundario, y me eran bastante desconocidos.
Pero el que finalmente proporcionó alguna perspectiva de ser el buscado, todavía era algo más exótico para mi: el Vultee CW-21 al que bautizaron o no con varios motes como "Demon", "Hornet" ...
La primera referencia prometedora surge inmediatamente en la wikipwedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CW-21_Demon
"Three other CW-21Bs were furnished to the Chinese as kits, assembled in Loi-Wing, that were delivered to the American Volunteer Group. But, these crashed in poor visibility on the delivery flight from Rangoon on December 23, 1941."
Ajá. Tres eran los pedidos por fjnr72, y aquí hay tres, buen punto de partida.
Rastreando, en un rincón de las ya vistas páginas del warbirdforum sobre el AVG, aparece la respuesta: http://www.warbirdforum.com/cw214.htm
"In the autumn of 1941 Pawley proposed to erect the three CW-21s at Rangoon and provide them to the A.V.G. at 1939 prices if someone would pay for them. Chennault, in his new role as commander of the A.V.G., had the perfect use for them [30]. High-flying reconnaissance planes were snooping over the A.V.G. training base at Kyedaw, Burma. The A.V.G.'s slow climbing P-40s could not catch them. Eventually Lend-lease funds were made available to pay for the interceptors and they were assembled and made available to the A.V.G.
The first CW-21 was flown up to Kyedaw by A.V.G. pilot Kenneth Merritt just about the time the Flying Tigers learned that the United States and Japan were at war. The CW-21s did not have the opportunity to intercept any reconnaissance planes at Kyedaw. On or shortly after December 12th they were attached as a three-plane flight to the A.V.G.'s 3rd Squadron and based at Mingaladon Airfield north of Rangoon. Erik Shilling (from Washington, D.C.) led the flight that also included Merritt (Arlington, Texas) and Lacey Mangleberg (Athens, Georgia) [31].
The CW-21s saw no combat while at Rangoon and on December 22nd, just before a series of heavy Japanese raids, Chennault ordered the CW-21s to join the main body of the A.V.G. then at Kunming, China. The three planes flew to Kyedaw that day and stayed overnight, proceeding to Lashio on the 23rd. Ford in Flying Tigers records what occurred basing his account on primary sources and Shilling's taped memoir. The Cyclone engine of Shilling's CW-21 had problems with misfires during the flight to Lashio. At Lashio the trio met an A.V.G. ground crew chief (Glen Blaylock) who was en route to Kunming by truck. He recommended a change from the 100-octane fuel supplied at Kyedaw to 87-octane fuel, stating this would keep the engine from running too hot.
Mangleberg's CW-21 was fueled first and he took off for a brief test flight. His CW-21 encountered no problems but apparently caused a false raid alarm. In any event the flight made a hasty departure from Lashio without a standard weather or route briefing. Late in the afternoon just inside China Shilling's fighter again encountered difficulties and the engine failed completely. Shilling made a successful belly landing despite the mountainous terrain. The other two pilots had no radios and only a vague idea where they were. They continued to fly in the general area where Shilling landed until their fuel supply was low. Merritt walked away slightly injured from his crash landing but Mangleberg's landing attempt ended in a fiery crash [32]. This ended Lacey Mangleberg's life and the brief career of the CW-21 with the Flying Tigers.
Russell Whelan in The Flying Tigers, a book written in 1942, dealt briefly with the incident and ascribed the crashes to "faulty fuel" taken on at Lashio. Casius in The St.Louis Lightweight repeats this version saying all three fighters had engine trouble "the cause of which was undoubtedly dirty fuel taken on at Lashio." Perhaps this was a version of the events circulated at the time. It is interesting to note that Shell Oil used the CW-21's "vertical mile in a minute" claims in its own advertising for its 100-octane gasoline suggesting that operating with 100-octane fuel should not have been a problem. "
Finalmente, buscando por los nombres de los pilotos, aparece la explicación de lo del parche en: http://mcel.pacificu.edu/as/students/fl ... _asia.html
"...tragedy struck again but this time with three new Curtiss-Wright CW-21 "Demon" fighter planes. Erik Shilling lost power and crash-landed. Chinese people found him but mistook him for a Japanese. They brought him to their village where he learned that Ken Merritt and Lacy Mangleburg had also crashed. Lacy Mangleburg, in his search for Shilling, tried to land in a nearby stream where the undercarriage of the plane hit bottom and the ammunition exploded covering the aircraft in flames and killing Mangleburg."
Algunos apuntes adicionales.
Shilling aparece adscrito al tercer grupo "Angeles del infierno", Merrit es del segundo "Osos Panda", pero el tal Lacey Mangleberg que fue el fallecido, aparece finalmente en el tercer grupo pero como "Lacy Mangleburg".
Después de esto, me pido unas vacaciones
Salu2 y felices vuelos:
Saburo
